Skabelondiskussion:en-verb

For this simple reason ‎:

From the English Wiktionary "third-person singular simple present lies, present participle lying, simple past lay, past participle lain"

Simple past and past participle may be different! Every Danish schoolchild knows that!

Do you want the Danish Wiktionary to be worse than the English one???

--Olelog (diskussion) 11. aug 2016, 05:58 (UTC)

Bruger:Olelog, this only happens with a few English verbs, such as go. I've already created a separate template for that (don't know why it wasn't here in the first place). Skabelon:en-verb2. You must understand the English present participle (-ing) form is very important and must be included, as it is used very, very often by most English speakers. Much more than you Danish speakers use your -ende verb forms. Philmonte101 (diskussion) 12. aug 2016, 01:22 (UTC)

I usely use this template:

{{-en-verb-ing-|{{pn}}|||}}

which includes the ing-form.

Traditional Danish (paper) dictionaries do not include the ing-form, but entries often look like this "go (went, gone)". That is also the way it is usually taught in Danish Schools. The template was once discussed at the Landsbybrønden, and a first conclusion was that "go, went, gone" / "act, acted, acted" (following the paper dictionary and teaching tradition) would be sufficient. Later somebody wanted the ing-form included, which happened with:

{{-en-verb-ing-|{{pn}}|||}}

The English "present participle" is by the way traditionally called "ing-form" in Danish, because the usage differs quite a lot from the Danish present participle. As the Danish Wiktionary is primarily for Danish users, it is important to follow Danish traditions as far as possible, so that Danish users can find their way, and understand what we are talking about. --Olelog (diskussion) 12. aug 2016, 06:16 (UTC)

Bruger:Olelog I understand what you're saying. I notice that you talk a lot about traditional dictionaries. I want to inform you that Wiktionary is supposed to somewhat mimic tradition, but is ultimately supposed to be as informative as possible to the readers. Therefore, it should include the following information in entries: the third-person singular present indicative form, the past tense (and in the case of having two past tense forms we should use a separate template), and the present participle (or the -ing form as you call it). All of these forms should also have their own entries. Inflected forms are still words, traditional or not, and it's something the readers need to know. We don't want people assuming that catching is not a real form of catch when reading these entries, do we? Think of it like this. We should strive to be better than the traditional dictionaries, i.e. we should strive to make all Wiktionaries as informative as possible to the extent that it needs to be. We don't want to just copy other dictionaries; then what would even be the point of this site? Philmonte101 (diskussion) 12. aug 2016, 07:17 (UTC)